This has been touted by some as the no.1 piece of evidence of a 'switch' - that allegedly the Olympic had a flat wheelhouse not a curved one, hence matching the flat shaped wheelhouse found on the wreck. If indeed Titanic had been insured at the last minute at "$12.5 million," as is alleged by conspiracy theorists, would this not have raised serious alarm bells in the minds of the insurers at the time, especially if it was part of the public record that the value was "$7.5million"? 12. You can also purchase an audio CD of Fenton reading 18 of his best poems (12.99) Some drowned, some were probably killed below decks and there is speculation that an officer may have committed suicide. It has to be admitted that this is plain bizarre and shows at what lengths some will go to try and justify a conspiracy. But unsurprisingly in 2019 a new 'meme' appeared on the internet claiming to show evidence from the wreck site that repair work done to Olympic caused by the Hawke collision can be seen in wreck photographs, captioned with "YOU NEED PROOF? After a million men had walked out for 37 days the government intervened and ended the strike by passing a minimum wage law. ", Olympic (left) and Titanic during construction at Harland & Wolff, Belfast. The wreck clearly has a flat wheelhouse and hence it must be Titanic. Paddy said that the guilt of On the wreck, what remains of the base of the wheel house (right) is clearly straight revealing it is indeed the Titanic (right image courtesy of Ghosts of the Abyss -Walt Disney Pictures and Walden Media). Passengers said there were promenades instead of cabins There is photographic evidence of this being applied to Titanic, in the first week of March 1912 and which shows the stark contrast between the light grey primer and the fresh black top coat being applied, as seen below. 5 on starboard. This is supposed to show Olympic's wheelhouse as being straight rather than curved. Author Steve Hall admits it could be the Olympic Although Fenton is absent from all the available crew lists, it doesn't immediately negate his story - the lists are not infallible, and we all saw how Leonardo Di- er, Jack Dawson blagged his . Was this done deliberately to help with the switch? And when we factor in that the passenger capacity was actually even less (2550, which would mean space for 1503) then we clearly see the claim is not accurate at all. in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position He also confirmed that the ship was doing seventy-five revolutions, not 80 as was possible. There are two key issues with this story. However it seems that conspiracy theorists make a deliberate mathematical error, and then label it 'conclusive evidence'. It is correct that Olympic's hull was painted white for her launch to stand out stronger in photographs and film, and that Titanic was not. Thirdly, in a picture of Olympic, taken during her 1912/13 refit following the Titanic disaster, this allegedly shows this vessel not to have the 'tell-tale plating' joint, which to 'switch' proponents proves 'conclusively' that the hull pictured is that of Titanic although the name Olympic is clearly visible on both sides of the bow. huge and had been outfitted with the most expensive linoleum onboard (a "Persian Rug" linoleum pattern) so it does not make sense they would carpet over such an investment, especially as typically most dining rooms of the time were simply not carpeted. And to finally put it to rest we have a photograph of Captain Smith on Titanic's bridge on sailing day - and the wheelhouse is clearly flat behind him. Lack of testimony. Some also claim that the reason some crew did not sign up was specifically because 'the only thing that could not be made to look new were the ship's boilers, having already been used for 12 months on Olympic before the switch' and noticing this on the Belfast to Southampton crossing they decided to 'get off' at Southampton. 3rd-class: 2,250. He was predeceased by his brother Johnsey (Betty deceased, Shirley) & sister Carrie (Ray deceased). Chirnside and Halpern conclude: "There is no doubt that Titanics speed was increased steadily throughout her maiden voyage, revolutions were increased, boilers brought online, and preparations Captain Smith on Titanic Get a Britannica Premium subscription and gain access to exclusive content. 16. However, there are several large issues with this theory. rumours of an insurance scam, they would serve a minimum of 20 years in jail 12 was lowered a French man jumped in from B Deck. He was the son of William Francis Butler (b. The sea trials were simply to make sure everything worked as advertised. off the bell. And also the Olympic was 500 miles away and would have been a much better solution if such a rescue was necessary. First and foremost is that the Californian would be a ridiculous choice as a rescue vessel. Ship's Bell with no name on it everything else was added. I think it is impossible that the Olympics keel was damaged in the collision, as Robin Gardiner speculates in his 1998 book Titanic: The Ship That Never Sank? Claim: Historians have always mused that it was rather strange that Titanic was never shown the enormous publicity that Olympic received the year before. Damage to the Olympic due to its collision with HMS Hawke. Patchwork and braces from Hawke collision in wreck photographs Order. How many crew and passengers were onboard prior to the rescue? If indeed Titanic had a room called "The Olympic Room" this would only appear superstitious if one believes the ships were switched. As if somehow to counteract this fact, it has then been alleged that 'Titanic's insurance was increased by J. P. Morgan from $5 million to $12.5 million 5 days before her fateful journey'. This is not heard in the documentary and so Steve Hall is mis-quoted as if he is summarising the entire 'switch' situation, when his comment was actually directly in relation to the wreck - not the theory in its entirety. This claim seems to originate from a quote from Baker Charles Burgess printed in Walter Lord's "A Night to Remember" who stated: "Like the Olympic, yes, but so much more elaborate. Claim: Olympic could On Olympic the fireplace was at the outer wall between two windows. Titanic had a "slight, but permanent, list to port" as observed by Lawrence Beesley and "several other surviving passengers.". So does the post-disaster image of Olympic show the "doubler" overlapping or not? Thomas Newman, Per l'obra Skyfall (2013) Steven Price, Per l'obra Gravity (2014) Alexandre Desplat, Per l'obra The Grand Budapest Hotel (2015) El BAFTA a la millor msica s un premi que atorga la BAFTA ( British Academy of Film and Television Arts) en una cerimnia anual, en reconeixement a la millor banda sonora . RMS Olympic after the collision with HMS Hawke. were being made to further increase the ships speed. There is not one occasion in which he However, as already established (in this point here) Titanic was, in fact, under-insured by $2.5 million. And the answer is the same. While the Sea Scouts were restoring the old life boat they discovered the name Olympic cut into the gunwhale. It is pure speculation about a 'switch' that did not happen. Interestingly, Gardiner himself has admitted the image is fake. Mount Temple (50 miles) Canadian Pacific Steamship Company cargo ship, Westbound, London to St. John's, Newfoundland damage control, especially prior to an official inquiry.if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'titanicswitch_com-banner-1','ezslot_2',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-titanicswitch_com-banner-1-0'); Claim: Harold Sanderson, from shipbuilder Harland and Wolff, repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic at the British inquiry. Difference in tonnage "Olympic Class" referred to a set of three ships: Olympic, Titanic and Britannic. But also there would be no need to. Compare it with the damage photograph below. This is confirmed by Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou, who adds: "While it is true that some survivors such as Beesley and Chambers did speak about a port list, this was taken out of context as both were referring to April 14th. Surviving crew signed the Official Secrets Act, 35. B. Ismay had all the linoleum flooring on the new "RMS Titanic" covered up with new carpet. Since they both essentially had the same dimensions, the difference is simply due to revised interior configurations Toggle navigation. Frankfurt (140 miles) Norddeutscher Lloyd Line Eastbound, Galveston to Bremerhaven. Claim: Titanic had 14 bow portholes. Titanic's sea trials were shorter than Olympic's After studying at the Chorister School in Durham, where he performed with the cathedrals renowned choir, he attended the Repton School and the British Institute of Florence. The crossing from Belfast to Southampton was a short crossing, while the North Atlantic route (Southampton to New York) was much longer. Take the dining saloon. 33. Interestingly, by the time of the Titanic disaster, Olympic's 14 portholes were also changed to 16 during her major refit, so in fact they were the same. anything like this. Titanic being towed out to her sea trials. However this claim goes with the assumption that the White Star Line was suffering financially. 'The Olympic Room' 8. The fields are mined and the moon is bright. Claim: The surviving crew were detained overnight and forced to sign a pledge under the 'Official Secrets Act', promising to keep secret forever, the actual events of the night of 14th / 15th April, 1912. 401: Titanic's propeller is on Olympic Claim: The Californian had a cargo of a few thousand woolly jumpers and blankets, as if they were ready for a rescue mission. alone did not sink Titanic, that it had a fire burning in the coal bunkers for a First and foremost we must address the fact that 'tonnage' mentioned here does not refer to a ship's "weight". Bulkhead put on Olympic found in stern wreck Claim: Panelling from third class areas of the ship now adorn a private flat in the Wirral. On the panels the number 400 is stencilled, but on the frames the number 401 is clearly visible. The ship had never been at The number 401 on Olympic woodwork rumours of an insurance scam, they would serve a minimum of 20 years in jail Californian was carrying woolly jumpers and blankets The fact that the Olympic went on to serve 24 years is simply because the damage was repaired. Not to mention that the name Titanic was first filmed on the wreck in 1987 and it certainly does not look Gardiner argues that when on the port side boat No. her full speed if the weather cooperated. He later served as Oxford Professor of Poetry (199499), and lectures given during his tenure in that post were collected as The Strength of Poetry (2001). This would seem very odd considering the fact that people were paying for Titanic's maiden voyage and not the Olympics maiden voyage. And all of this without even mentioning that the Carpathia was owned by Cunard, the White Star Line's key rival on the transatlantic service. Captain Smith was also, like the Captain on the Californian, they claim, also sleeping fully clothed in the chart room. Firstly, they had been postponed for a day due to bad weather. answer was to grind the names off the bells. furniture and panelling was better that the Olympic is not accurate; furnishings and paneling aboard Titanic were, with the exception of unique rooms such as the The stern wreck image is in fact compiled from thousands of high-resolution images shot during a multi-million dollar, two-month expedition that took place in August and September 2010. More tellingly, this does not look like repair work - considering that this was supposed to have been completely repaired and seaworthy. "It was a somewhat quiet affair.". If not insurance, a switch would keep the company operational, 12. In 1967 he enrolled at Magdalen College, Oxford, initially intending to study English but later switching to psychology, philosophy, and physiology. According to Don Lynch and his book "Titanic: An Illustrated History" they did not accompany him on the maiden voyage because they had instead chosen to spend the time on a motor holiday through Wales.. We also have a substantial amount of supporting evidence to prove that Olympic's wheelhouse was indeed curved: 1. He also may have been confused with the Reception Room, which did indeed have wall-to-wall carpet on the Olympic. In the documentary James Cameron explains: These rooms, they were called the Millionaire's Suites, we went into the one that was reserved for J.P. Morgan. The It is true that James Cameron sent a robot into the sitting room of what is called the Millionaire's Suite or Promenade Suite during his 1995 dive. Able Bodied Seaman Frederick Clench who was in lifeboat No. Was the confusion because they had been switched? Which brings us to a total of at least 1047 aboard the Carpathia on the night of the Titanic disaster. - Oh, I beg your pardon, yes. Against the forward steel wall, the faux marble fireplace with its bronze details seems in perfect condition." If Titanic had lasted longer than 5 days there would almost certainly have been more accurate advertising, as we know at the time of her departure many photographs were indeed taken of her exteriors and interiors which would have been useful for further promotional material. However these differences are easily explained as Titanic was a work in progress and had many additions and alterations prior to her maiden voyage. They were mostly Belfast men - i.e. He was awarded the Queens Gold Medal for Poetry in 2007 and won the PEN Pinter Prize in 2015. The fact is that there were many physical differences between the two ships that would involve substantial work to change. Claim: The Olympic's hull was painted white for its launch so that it would show up in photographs better. When they were not working, they were in the pub, drinking and talking. Ultimately, when asked about the Olympic 'switch' theory he went on record as saying the wreck is Titanic. It is a measurement of volume or the enclosed internal space of a ship. The Turkish bath spaces were different. Firstly, it must be considered that these images were first released in 2012 and have been examined in minute detail by hundreds if not thousands of researchers and historians since then, so why has it taken 7 years for this to have been spotted, if it is indeed unusual? 43. 18. 4. Act explaining that if they told of the real reason for the sinking, or the Further volumes of poetry included Out of Danger (1994), which won the Whitbread Book Award (now the Costa Book Award); Selected Poems (2006), a Penguin anthology of his work; and Yellow Tulips: Poems 19682011 (2012), an even broader survey containing previously uncollected verse. 32. The "Titanic" is a ship that sunk by hitting an iceberg in 1912, that was previously considered unsinkable ("Titanic"). In both cases Gardiner made this claim up! However, if the panelling had been from Olympic the number would have been 400 not 401." in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position Please note how it does not match the so-called 'Titanic' image in the 'meme.' There are three key points regarding this claim: 1. To prove this claim Additionally, especially as the ship was being labelled "practically unsinkable" how would they explain this 'mysterious' flooding to the inquiries that would no doubt take place afterward? According to the documentary "Titanic Breaking New Ground", James Cameron sends a robot submarine into the sitting room of the promenade suite on B deck and films He is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature and was Oxford Professor of Poetry for the . Numerous ships were stationed nearby despite a coal strike Titanic when launched was a work in progress, designed to be a better, improved version of her older sister Olympic. Claim: Titanic had a newly named room, "The Olympic Room" because, superstitious shipping merchants believe it is bad luck to change the name on a ship, and J Bruce Ismay, and J.P. Morgan thought it best to have the Olympic's name still somewhere on board. This should not be surprising as the wheelhouse was built during the fitting out stage and so did not exist during the launch. 28. There are two keys errors in this hypothesis. of the surviving crew. All other portholes on this part of the ship remained as they appeared at the time of her launch. He wrote most of them when. It could be compared to a short haul and long haul flights today -often requiring very different airline cabin crews. 1. Lightwood, Stoke-on-Trent - Wikipedia . Claim: White Star never had any intention of scuttling the ship. The reality: In close-up we can clearly see that the name Titanic was actually sketched on to the negative/photograph to make it more visible and so cannot be used for reference. The only picture in the entire production to which Mr Newton had any rights at all was one late in the film supposedly showing where the name on the wreck had been altered. Titanic sailor's deathbed confession of 'switch' After the Titanic disaster this all changed. Claim: Olympic had a vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe, while Titanic during her construction did not. Claim: The name plate of Titanic is longer on the ship as it went on its maiden voyage compared to when it was being built. THIS IS PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE AND IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. These include: Lookout Fredrick Fleet, Quartermaster George Rowe, Quartermaster Alfred Olliver, THERE IS NO MORE THEORY. It mentions "Paddy the Pig" aka James Fenton. Marble in the Sitting Room Did J. P. Morgan and J. The hearings following the Olympic/Hawke collision included a damage assessment of the Olympic which was agreed upon by both White Star and the Royal Navy, and stated that the Hawkes bow had penetrated eight feet into Olympics hull. You do not need to be an expert to see that it certainly does not. James Cameron's epic movie 'Titanic' was released 25 years ago Starring Leonardo de Caprio and Kate Winslet, Titanic became the first movie to gross a billion dollars. This is because, of course, as an insurance scam everything was a set up and rescue ships were in the area waiting for the sinking. Firstly, Ismay's wife and children did not cancel at the last moment. Patrick Fenton, who lived in Australia regularly told people that when he had worked as a seaman on the Titanic, he had witnessed an explosion on the ship which had caused it to sink, rather than the collision with the iceberg. About 29 results for James Fenton's poetry masterclass. Again no mention here that lifeboats were seen from B Deck. The lifeboat was wrecked in a collision with the Gosport Ferry at Portsmouth and taken by the Royal Navy to Haslar for demolition. 15 $18.4 17.55 Silver Cricket Fob Recess Antiques 85.00 $104.27 99.42 Silver & M,O,P Fruit Knife.Sheff.1910 By J.Fenton. In discussing the claim that "Olympic was fitted with Titanics starboard propeller shaft" Mark Chirnside summarises: "There is no evidence that Harland & Wolff ever used one of Titanics propellers, or propeller blades, on Olympic; there is every reason to believe that they would have had a spare Olympic propeller in any case.". full speed. These above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in the windows on B-deck -which should not be surprising as two private verandahs and suites were added to this section of the ship after its launch. Difference in port side joint plating It is a wild claim based purely on imagination. The production, which transplanted the story to the Mafia underworld of 1950s New York City, was a success, and it caught the eye of theatre producer Cameron Mackintosh, who asked him to translate the French musical Les Misrables, based on the book by Victor Hugo. Titanic was at full steam but not achieving maximum speed surviving crew got to port they were all taken aside and met by two men, one In fact, according to American researcher Jon Hollis, the bell recovered the Hawke collision that would supposedly justify a 'switch' scenario. Seacocks opened to hasten the sinking Titanic, although only just superceding her sister in size, was no longer big news and so the public and media were not as interested in her maiden voyage as that of her sister. There is nothing here that reveals a 'switch'. James J. Fenton, MD, is a pulmonologist at National Jewish Health. "cargo of a few thousand woolly jumpers and blankets." overlook something as simple as the number of portholes on the outside of the ship? - Able Bodied Seaman Thomas Jones testified before the US Inquiry (Day 7), that he went on deck and could see some ice. Claim: The damage below Olympic's waterline was said to be far more serious as the super structure had warped. It is obvious that a rather large dose of imagination has been used to see the alleged 'damage'. the evidence that the number 400 (Olympic's number) is all over Olympic's woodwork (see more information on this here). the Olympic. Claim: While the wheelhouse of the Olympic was allegedly constructed in a bow fronted fashion, a photograph taken from the top of the huge steel gantry appears to show a straight fronted wheelhouse, exactly as it appeared on earlier drawings of the ship. 44. So conclusively, with no 'expert' opinion required, the Olympic's damage does not match this so called 'proof.' Regardless, the key issue with this claim - like so many - is that there is no verifiable record of this - no exact quotation, date, location, photograph or even independent testimony of the account. Claims for this range from "two of the firemen, boiler stokers and greasers" to "a large proportion of the engine crew" to the specific number of 173 who 'preferred to wait for employment on another ship.' Firstly, a Harland & Wolff photograph of Olympic, taken when the vessel was in the Thompson Graving Dock in 1911, which shows her to have had a 'vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe'. Ismay went on public record at the April 1912 United States Senate Hearings and also it was reported in the official public findings that the value of Titanic was "$7.5million" a figure independently verified by the New York Times and The Spectator ("$8 million") while insured at only "$5 million" (as reported at the Senate Inquiry, The New York Times and Lloyds itself). to Gallatin TN (Pop. The long list of differences is discussed on the previous page here. 48. When the Titanic sailed on her maiden voyage in April 1912, the number of passengers that she was carrying was very similar to the number that was booked onto Olympic for her maiden voyage the year before. They would not be interested in the transatlantic route as it would mean not returning to Belfast or Southampton for several weeks. James Fenton on how variation in a line presents the poet with many challenges. Upon graduation in 1970, Fenton embarked upon a career as a freelance journalist and was hired (1971) to report on literature and politics for the New Statesman. Wheelton, however, continues down to the storeroom and then went again up to the boat deck on the starboard side. Hall and Beveridge note in regard to this photograph that although "the overlapped doubler is hidden behind the stowed anchor, At least one of them would speak to someone, or at the very least have a deathbed confession and not one single report was ever made. While reporting from the Philippines for The Independent in 198689, he witnessed the fall of the abusive authoritarian regime of Ferdinand Marcos. Now, director James Cameron is hoping . Olympic had a 2 degree list to port, as did Titanic 5. Cross-checking with Encyclopedia Titanica website, which has extensive passenger and crew lists, the number of crew aboard the Carpathia exceeded 300 (it lists 307, but it is not necessarily a complete list). Otherwise there is no other evidence crew were forced to sign any "Official Secrets Act." There are ample photographs online and in books of this area of Titanic for you to check for yourself. 21. a manifest needs to be presented (and in the grand scheme of things and the overwhelming evidence a 'switch' did not take place would prove very little anyway). Fentons adaptations of the Chinese play Zhaoshi guer (The Orphan of Zhao) and Miguel de Cervantess novel Don Quixote were produced by the Royal Shakespeare Company in 2012 and 2016, respectively. that the carpet was to hide "12 months worth of scratches and marks on the linoleum's surface"? I was wondering if there was enough information available about the conspiracy theories to warrant expansion or even a separate article. The reality is that Olympic and Titanic had differently pitched propeller blades so they would not have worked to their full potential had the blades been swapped from one ship to the other. When questioned about the 'switch' theory at the Belfast Titanic museum Q&A in 2014, the man who discovered the wreck of the Titanic, Dr Robert Ballard, answers: "I think it is the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean.". other images of Olympic and Titanic, this post-disaster image has the anchors stowed, thus obscuring this area of interest. The claim that Olympic got them is absurd. Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. 19. I have contacted Steve Hall directly (November 2018) to clarify this and there are 4 important points to be considered: 1. By that time Olympic was at Belfast and underwent a major refit which also included new davits and new lifeboats which were larger than the previous lifeboats.". The montage was then later created by "AIVL, WHOI" and released by National Geographic on the 100th anniversary of the sinking in March 2012. It was also carrying no passengers, at a time when due to the coal strike and so many ships confined to port there would be plenty of people eager to pay above the cost in cash to get to Boston. But they were cut short for several good reasons. CourtesySteve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank? B. Ismay know this? 3. as already discussed here the Olympic's damage from HMS Hawke did not exceed $125,000, and there is independent verification of this fact. James Fenton, in full James Martin Fenton, (born April 25, 1949, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England), English poet and journalist who was remarked upon for his facility with a wide variety of verse styles and for the liberal political views threading his oeuvre. 11. Deck plans (2012) which exposes the theory as being completely impossible. His father, a hotel proprietor and licensed victualler, was also born in Portsmouth whilst his mother was a native of Alfriston, Sussex. previously published on the 'switch' theory -no doubt due to the release of the book "The Riddle of the Titanic" in 1996. Claim: Photographs taken of Titanic at Southampton shortly before her maiden voyage show a large area of discoloured plating, as if it had been newly painted with paint that did not quite match the original, in the same location as Olympic's hull was damaged by HMS Hawke. Dr. Fenton is a board-certified, fellowship-trained thoracic surgeon with training and experience in thoracic oncology and minimally invasive surgery, including robotic surgery. too difficult and improbable, Gardiner uses this to allege a more deliberate and logical plan. Of course there is none. - Fourth Officer Boxhall "a little ice in the well deck covering a space of about three or four feet from the bulwarks right along the well deck, small stuff. (British Enquiry,Day 13) 2. (http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com). If he had been sworn to secrecy then why did he tell only one or two random individuals? Accomplished through strategic, long term planning . But perhaps more importantly, the Carpathia was at least 50 miles away from the Titanic when it sank and did not respond until hearing the distress messages. The above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in portholes. Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou explains further: "Ismay's sitting room was explored by James Cameron during his 2001 dives. Any discolouration could be explained as due to lighting conditions and/or photographic imperfections. Act explaining that if they told of the real reason for the sinking, or the Or is the answer because there is nothing there anyway? Did they think they would just stand there and watch? would have remained in surplus. 'Faux' as in false or imitation. The Olympic and the Britannic were also consistent on the starboard side, with 15 portholes. Florence Ismay (wife of J Bruce Ismay, chairman of White Star) also cancelled along with their children, and just like Morgan she said she was ill, and instead went on a motoring holiday! Fentons poems ranged from narrative to nonsense. Damage to Olympic caused by its collision with HMS Hawke. However there is absolutely no evidence Olympic or Titanic ever had their names "riveted on". And any allegation to the contrary - of an increase - needs evidence, for which at present there is nothing but unverified speculation. It was longer as it had to cover up the word Olympic that occupied more space. Indeed - much of the advertising and for that matter news coverage of the disaster, used artwork, photographs and newsreel footage of the Olympic. Ballard has written several books between 1987 - 2021 and all state in no uncertain terms that he discovered the Titanic - not the Olympic. 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